Would you be willing to rebel against your government?
 

The question sort of speaks for itself. At what point do you rebel against a government gone wrong? And are you fully prepared for the implications of forceful action against your country's governing body and military force protecting it? Or do you even bother trying -- head for the hill or someplace better?

German's in the late 1930's didn't rebel and we all know how that plan worked out. There has to be some point at which the people absolutely have to stand up and stop a governement that has run completely out of control, taken away the rights of it's citizens, and declared all ruling power over the country. Do you fall in line, and sign your children up to join the Hitler Youth? Do you just leave the country and let others fight? Are you stocked up enough to live in the mountains and stand your ground away from danger? Or do you build a militia and overthrow your government?

This is of course not meant to be about any particular country -- this is a topic for any elected government that faces a crisis of unimaginable magnitude with the will and power to wreak national and global havoc (extreme oil shock, financial crisis etc).

(btw I'm a leave the country advocate)

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bon voyage!

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Absolutely. Come and get me.:bandito:

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Is it time yet?
---Question asked of Claire Wolfe daily

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Not yet. But should the time come my prediction is 5% leave the country, 1% head for the hills, 1% die trying to fight, and 93% fall into line (join army, slave labor).

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If you're talking about the Constitutional government, which is essentially dormant at this time, no.

If you're talking about the present corporate parasite "democracy" (notice the word "republic" is rarely if ever uttered in public by the President, Congress, or staff members) that has usurped it and is slowly killing the host, that's another matter. It is not the lawful government, in spite of how it is perceived.

And each person has a threshold. Some are already over it and are fighting in ways (not paying taxes, not complying, political actions, legal challenges, etc.). I think if it comes to martial law that's what will push many to action. Being comfortable is a most powerful tranquilizer.

Ragnarok

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Would you be willing to post a message in a public forum stating the circumstances under which you would consider overthrowing the government?

:withstupi

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perfectly said - exactly !!

unfortunately I do think that most will comply with any demands, legal or not, yet there will be those that resist and those in positions of power that won't go along with the police state

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I thought this was just a theoretical discussion of any gov't in history, besides I doubt that any US citizens would have much of a chance defeating the US military.

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If they ever made it illegal to own a gun or started rounding up people to throw in jail, then yes its time to take up arms against the government. The same goes if they go against anything in the bill of rights, except I would hold off on the force untill I have tried all possible peaceful actions.

I don't mind posting it on a public forum though. There are legitimate legal reasons for overthrowing a corrupt government, and if you can't talk about it then your already past a point where you should rebel.

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QWAK,I am a DUCK,I am SELF GOVERNING,I have no NEED of OTHERS governing me as I am a SOVERN intity and RESPONCIBLE for MY ACTIONS and MY rules are more STRICT than THEIRS! They are also more REASONABLE and FAIR! ;)

I fought and KILLED for this country and was almost killed, I indured TORTURE training by my own country to prove I would NOT disclose clasified information only to find later that the same government GAVE it way threw INCOMPITENCE and burocratic bungels.

Today MY COUNTRY is 40 achers on top a mountain which just happens to be in the USA,I see my self as a citizen of the universe FIRST and I believe I have EARNED and LEARNED both the RIGHT and the KNOLAGE to say "NO"!

I don't want to EVER go to WAR agen "I LOVE ALL" but I will defend agenst OTHERS who would take from ME the RIGHT to be FREE! I live in PEACE by CHOICE because I understand the WISDOME of doing so but I also KNOW because the GOVERNMENT tought me ----- HOW to KILL eficiently!

the DUCK

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To start with the US constitution gives you the right to rebel against the government and if I were to do so is because to me it was no longer my government but belonging to the Neocons as it does now......so, what do you think?

"When the government is not for the people it is then the right of the people to overthrow the government for the people are the government"... Ponce

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The question to me isn't would you, but could you?

How well can you shoot that rifle?

I've seen this question in one form or another on other forums. Kind of funny to speculate about something like this to me.

Gold Duck, I was writing when you posted and agree about war, Vietnam taught us a lot...

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With Bush wanting to become a dictator with a third term under the Presidential Emergency Act we will have a chance to find out.

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One thing about it is - proportional representation allows a revolution to happen without a lot of bloodshed, for example in the Weimar republic. It fails (or succeeds) gracefully.

The two party system is "stable"... up until the point when it fails, and then it fails catastrophically. What would you expect when you get an identical government no matter what you vote for.

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Homeland Security recently found some "Domestic Terrorists" who were in possession of this crazy shit:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Thank God they keep Propaganda like this off our streets!

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I don't understand why some people think you can escape world government by going to another country.

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When you work for the government one of the questions the State Department asks you during a security clearance review is "are you part of an organization with the intent to violently overthrow the government". I think rebellion in the US is considered treason, and is punishable by death. I think a lot of people who think that holing themselves up and buying ammo are in for an awful dose of reality when TSHTF.

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Unless you have figured out some way around it, I'm fairly sure we are all dead in the long run.



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They already have a dose of reality, that's why they are holing themselves up and buying ammo. What alternative is there? Is surrender better than resistance?

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QWAK,I expect that keeping a LOW PROILE will be the best survival tecnique. Not drawing undue attention and being INVISABLE is a lot more than waring CAMO in fact it tends to stand out in most inviroments other than what it is intended for the WOODS or spicific natural inviroments.

Confronting a much more powerfull aponint requires STELTH and PLANING not to mention COOL THINKING! Being a HOT HEAD tends to get you DEAD,it may play diferently in books and movies BUT in reality is is a much greater LIABILITY than an asette.

Resistence in SMALL ways works best and is also CUMULITIVE,it only takes a little bit of SAND in a power full engine to STOP even DESTROY the engine!

DIRECT hostile confrontation is likely the LAST thing you should want to even concider as it will LIKELY be the LAST thing you do in your life time.

Fire fights are NOT as much FUN as in the movies LOL and THEY got a WHOLE LOT mor FIRE then you will ever have!

For the most part fire arms and other weapons are realy only for the MOB and potential RAIDERS after the GOVERNMENT colapses NOT to CONFRONT the government directly.

the DUCK

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Hopefully if there was ever a good reason to overthrow the government, it will be clear to everyone. Because you definitely couldn't do it alone, and it would be stupid to try. A best case is if you can get the army to defect and hopefully get some of the police on your side as well.

A politician would probably be more useful than a guy with a garage full of weapons.

Also if you do overthrow the government you have to have a plan for a new government and you have to stick around to make it work. You cant just kill everyone and then walk away. If you do that theres a very real chance that you will get an even worse government.

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I think one of the keys is to expose corruption or the criminal element in gov't to the masses.

great post !!:clap2:

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That's why I can imagine UN troops "helping out" here in the US with civil unrest, while our troops are tied up fighting in the middle east because of....?

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I think you pinpinted the situation pretty well. Exposing corruption not only minimizes the need for a revolution but also would make it easier to organize one if needed to overthrow the thugs.

All this "me generation" type of survivalism and moving overseas will not work long term. Individuals cannot compete for power against organized thugs.

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I don't think we would let UN troops come here to help, because the US thinks to highly of itself to allow that to happen. Besides everyone is always saying they hate the US so why shouldn't other countries help us overthrow the government?

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"We"....."government"....."they"....all these supposed entities.

America is no longer governed by the people and neither are foreign countries. The will of the people...anywhere in the world...has little to do with decisions at a higher level.

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Thats not really true. The will of the people matters a lot. The problem is the will of the people is often "I don't care just go do what you feel is best". So the people running go "Ok I will then" and then they do.

People are still getting what they want though, they asked for it. If they changed their minds, the government will change with them. If people don't however, you cant blame the government, because its just doing what its told.

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Are you really that sheeplike? Politicians and bureacrats do whatever the media tells them to do.

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I thought it was: politicians do whatever they tell eachother. Or do I have that wrong? Or maybe it's politicians do whatever they decide is best for themselves.

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Yes. Politicians do what they decide is best for themselves, which is to obey the media and thus avoid the power of scrutiny and the power of smear.

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Thats not true either. How can they be doing whatever the media tells them to when the media doesn't even agree with each other?

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Thanks and agreed, we still do have a chance to expose this and possibly fix things. There aren't enough criminals on high to control 290+ million people, although the surveilance and control systems are being put in place, it still takes a lot of ground troops and people willing to go along.

PS - nice signature :beer:

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Just because the media plays left and right against each other does not mean they disagree or represent opposing interests.

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Wait till the NWO gets a load of this thread title.

As for me I would say they have already been beaten.

Its up to my gov. to rebel against them.

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80+ % don't want an open southern border - doesn't look like the will of the people really matters to Bush and company.

Necessity will be the excuse for the neocons to take away our rights, ignore the constitution and convince the masses to exchange liberty for imagined security.

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BOSTON - The government has released its study of a new terrorist group it claims is spreading across the Country. The study claims that new cells have been discovered from the northeast down through Tennessee and Georgia, with more cells being discovered regularly.

�So far, we have no hard evidence of any specific illegal act that has been perpetrated by members of this group,� stated one govermnent spokesperson, �but it is just a matter of time before something happens and we get our hard evidence. Americans need to understand just what type of group this really is. These people are dangerous!� His comments came because of recent claims by the group that they were simply a patriotic group that wants the government to remain within its legal limits.

�This is not a group of patriotic citizens,� a government law enforcement agent claimed who would not identify himself �These people are nothing more than illegal and violent anti-government tax protesters. We have evidence of a number of violent attacks against legitimate law enforcement officers and government tax collectors. Several innocent government officials have been hospitalized in serious condition from wounds suffered in these illegal attacks. In addition, we are certain they are behind a number of unsolved crimes which have cost the government millions in damages and destruction. They are terrorists, plain and simple. Some of them have pledged all their financial assets to generate the capital necessary for a full-scale war against the government. These people are extremists!�

The group, who call themselves The Sons of Liberty, are based in New England, some think in Boston. Authorities claim they have been involved in recent attacks against several government officials, including tax collectors, officers of National Guard and other government troop units, and even the governor of New York. Governor Cadwalider Colden was informed last week by his security staff of a planned attack against his travelling party. The governor took the threat seriously and headed for a local military base when it became obvious his own security department could not guarantee his safety. While at the base, The Sons of Liberty attacked the home of the base commander, burning his vehicles and emptying a rather extensive wine cellar before disappearing into the surrounding countryside.

This reporter has recently received in the mail with no return address a copy of some of the writings by The Sons of Liberty leadership. These documents claim that the group is strongly opposed to what the government has become, charging that it has exceeded its legal limits. �A government that has exceeded its legal limits has lost its moral and legal authority. That government must voluntarily retreat to within its limitations, or it will be forced to change by We The People.� In another pamphlet, apparently intended for recruiting purposes, were these words: �If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget you were our countrymen.� These and other anti-government statements were contained in what appeared to be a circular, an essay intended to be circulated among its various chapters or cells.

So far, dozens of attacks against various government officials have been blamed on The Sons of Liberty. The government claims that they are getting close to arresting the leaders of the group, and especially the man credited with starting The Sons of Liberty. Some within law enforcement believe that Samuel Adams is the primary leader, and Adams himself has been linked to many violent acts against the government for more than seven years, including a recent attack against imported tea, As of yet, however, the govermnent has not moved to arrest Adams, who lives in Boston with his family. http://survivalmonkey.com/forum/imag...wesomework.gif

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There was a guy on another forum last fall claiming to be a member of this group and he was saying things very threatening toward cops, a real jerk. I thought he was a false flag.

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Great post Melbo!!!

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This is describing the American Revolution satirically

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Serves me right for half-reading it.

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Gives a good perspective as to where we're at today.

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QWAK,As long as the GOV. does NOT hunt the DUCK, the DUCK will NOT HUNT the GOV., I tend to be very TOLERENT but there ARE LIMITS to every thing and at some point, the DUCK hunts back!

http://www.humorheights.com/index.ph...&cat=9&pic=100

Hopefully it will NOT ever come to THAT! :tongue:

the DUCK

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You can read what you want into this reply.

When and if the Federal Government ever Declares Martial Law.

#1-If Martial Law was Declared,ALL CIVIL LAWS CURRENTLY IN FORCE,BECOME NULL AND VOID PER THE U.C.M.J.

#2-The above means that only the U.C.M.J. is in legal effect.

#3-This means the U.S. constitution is no longer a legal document with any force or effect,as it is usurped by the U.C.M.J.

#4-This also means that unless all local governments and police forces are federalized,Thier actions would be Un-lawful and have no legal effect.

#5-This would be like your next door neighbor telling you what to do.

#6-The Future of the U.S. would depend on how many of the population understood the ramifications of #1.

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The point for me will be any sort of biometric id system or national id card, at that point im bugging out...

And the bugout spot will probably initially be the hills, as the only effective war against a superior force is a guerilla one. Hopefully there will be some percentage of the population willing to dissent or assist in hiding the militant part of the dissenters.

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If you cannot rebel against your government that would mean that you live in a dictatorship......like Cuba? .......and now the US.

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Dont worry. let them have what they want. you already got a social, and a drivers license, and credit card. the more they know, works both ways. hence the more anamolies in the system to choice from. its stalemate. the bad guys will unplug and thats what we dont want. or they may stay plugged in and feed the matrix bad data. which we dont want either.

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I would think that scenario would then activate all 'state miltias"

that 18-65 yr old male aspect that is most of our state Constitutions. At last in the south anyway.

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Hey hey heyyyyyyyyyy Melbo, I am 66, where do you think I'll be??????? under the bed?

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No, I don't think that all all Ponce
Just that my State Constitution Requires that all males between those ages be armed and ready. I think they wrote that at a time that they were unsure of the whole Federal Gov thing.
I cant find the QUote in my Constitution but it is there. I am a member of the Tennessee State Militia by default

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7465

States joinred the union under an assumption that it as a voluntary agreement... Guess again.

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QWAK,Some times it is hard to know WHEN it is the RIGHT TIME, you can just trust your gut OR ------ perhaps ----

http://www.humorheights.com/index.ph...c&cat=9&pic=98

LOL, I know is is OT but it was just SOooooooooo damn funny!:rofl: :tongue: :cheerful:

the DUCK

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America = Constitutional Republic usurped/overlaid by/with a foreign democracy (US).

Iraq = Dictatorship usurped/overlaid by/with a foreign democracy (US).

Here's really what the US thinks about "state militias".

I can't believe our sworn-to-uphold-the-Constitution armed forces go along with this. Then again, I can. :censored:

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...ad.php?t=33249

Ragnarok